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PRESS RELEASE: 

The New Upper Pier Ave. Residents Survey Results

SURFinHermosa - Tuesday, August 12, 2008

NEW HERMOSA BEACH SURVEY AT ODDS 

WITH EARLIER CITY FINDINGS

The results are in on SURFinHermosa’s Upper Pier Avenue Resident Survey, and they show a decided interest in repaving and beautifying the street without implementing the recommended and City Council approved changes and incentives for accelerated development. 

These and other findings were revealed at the Hermosa Beach City Council meeting on Tuesday, August 12, and posted on the citizens group’s web site (http://www.surfinhermosa.com).


“Our goal as a citizens group is to provide a mechanism through which the community can be heard and public consensus on important issues better understood by City decision-makers,” said SURFinHermosa spokesperson Jeff Duclos. “This survey represents our initial effort. Our intention was to test some of the assumptions made regarding public opinion, based on the UPAC survey.

Rather than simple questions, which can be subject to different interpretations, this recent survey is more detailed and reflects many of the major concepts proposed during the past year, as well as City Council approved recommendations. 

City money is now being spent and allocated based on these assumptions. It seemed an appropriate time to test them because it will soon be too late.”

The following is a summary of findings:

--- Responses were gathered during a comparable period of time in 2007 and 2008 – May through July 2008, versus May through July 2007 for the UPAC survey 

--- Both surveys polled the community, but the most recent survey has a slightly larger sampling – 550 Hermosa Beach residents versus 479 in the UPAC survey

--- The overwhelming majority (85%) of UPAC’s surveys were completed online. More than half (59%) of the SURFinHermosa survey were handwritten (on paper), affording a better cross-section of community members


--- Responses to one basic question (question No. 4) in the SURFinHermosa survey best captures the essence of what people in the community think and feel:

To the question: Do you favor “mixed use” along Upper Pier Avenue as described by UPAC: facilitating the elimination of single story buildings in favor of 30 foot two-to-three story structures featuring condominiums and office space on the upper floors and ground floor retail or restaurant businesses? 

Only about one in four residents said “Yes”. More than half, 58%, said “No”.

“When UPAC in its earlier survey asked a more simplified question about mixed use development, a majority responded that it should be permitted,” noted SURFinHermosa’s Julie Jennings. 

“This difference suggests that those filling out the UPAC survey may not have understood what ‘mixed use’ means. In the UPAC survey, it’s not clearly defined.

Once people understood that mixed use related to density and scale, meant ‘increased use,’ they strongly opposed the idea. 

Another indication that people filling out the UPAC survey may have been confused by the term ‘mixed use’ is demonstrated by the fact that the survey’s second most common comment was – 

‘We want to keep the small town look and feel.’ Mixed use is contrary to small town look and feel.”

Jennings also said that the consistent theme that people are interested in improvements on the street without expansion is revealed in the many detailed comments people offered in filling out the SURFinHermosa survey, as well as in the choices they made in survey questions No. 3 and No. 5.


--- As to the street configuration proposed or discussed that people prefer, as outlined in Question #3, the No.1 response was:

C. Repaving the street and sidewalks while maintaining existing 10 ft. sidewalks, four lane configuration and diagonal parking.


--- As to how people would rank projects in allocating MTA Proposition C funds, as outlined in Question #5, the #1 response was:

F. Repave the street and sidewalks and correct drainage problems using any additional funds for street lighting, landscaping and removal of parking meters only. No other improvements.



Complete survey findings are attached, as well as available at http://www.surfinhermosa.com


SURFinHermosa is composed of a group of Hermosa Beach residents who made a commitment in April 2008 to join forces and work together to protect and enrich the traditional quality of life in our city.

Its Upper Pier Avenue Resident Survey was conducted independent of city government as a mechanism through which the community can be heard on an important issue related to City redevelopment.


 




Bar Chart Summary for each Question from:

The New Upper Pier Ave. Residents Survey


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Question 1: Upper Pier Survey Results

Do you have children:

            ¨Still living with you?

            ¨Living separately?

            ¨Going to HB Schools?

            ¨No Children?

 

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Question 2: Upper Pier Survey Results

How often do you visit Upper Pier Avenue (Pier Avenue from PCH down to Hermosa Avenue)?

¨Never"          ¨Rarely"   ¨Monthly" 

 ¨Weekly         ¨Daily"           

¨During Hermosa Events"

 

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Question 3: Upper Pier Survey Results

Of the following street configurations proposed and/or discussed, which do you prefer? Keep in mind that there will be no net loss of parking spaces with any of these alternatives. Please rank the following 4 options:

(1 = MOST preferred, 4 = LEAST preferred. PLEASE use each number only once)

a.  Councilmember Tucker and the Upper Pier Avenue Committee’s (UPAC’s) approved recommendation of  14 ft. sidewalks and maintaining four lanes by keeping diagonal parking on the north side of the street only and converting to parallel parking on the south side.

b.  Councilmember Keegan’s recommendation to accommodate dedicated bicycle lanes by converting Pier Avenue to parallel parking on both sides of the street as well as the center median, and maintaining the four lane configuration.

c.  Repaving the street and sidewalks while maintaining existing 10 ft. sidewalks, four lane configuration and diagonal parking.

d.  Other (please describe):                            

 

 

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Question 4: Upper Pier Survey Results

Do you favor “mixed use” along Upper Pier Avenue as described by UPAC: facilitating the elimination of single story buildings in favor of 30 foot two-to-three story structures featuring condominiums and office space on the upper floors and ground floor retail or restaurant businesses?

            ¨Yes  ¨No  ¨No Opinion

 

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Question 5: Upper Pier Survey Results

How would you rank the following projects –- not discussed in UPAC’s survey -- in allocating the $2 million in county MTA Proposition C funds, and other City General Fund money, for improvements to Upper Pier Ave? 

(1= MOST important, 7 = LEAST important. PLEASE use each number only once.)

a.  Spend no General Fund money on these projects.

b.  Use additional general fund money to build a tiered parking structure in front of City Hall.

c.  Create a “matching funds” incentive program to encourage existing property owners to renovate their storefronts.

d.  Install cameras on Upper Pier Avenue to monitor street vandalism and enhance enforcement on Pier Avenue.

e.  Build a municipal swimming pool on Pier Avenue.

f.  Repave the street and sidewalks and correct drainage problems using any additional funds for street lighting, landscaping and removal of parking meters only.  No other improvements.

g.  Use City General Fund money (similar to what’s being used for Upper Pier Avenue) for street improvements along PCH.

 

 

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Question 6: Upper Pier Survey Results

Do you favor the building of a “gateway” structure on designated open space Greenbelt, spanning Pier Avenue and the moving of the bus stop on the south side of the street onto the Greenbelt (as UPAC recommended)?

            ¨Yes"  ¨No"  ¨No Opinion"

 

 

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Question 7: Upper Pier Survey Results 

Do you feel that UPAC has given thoughtful consideration to public comment on its plans, including opposing views?

            ¨Yes"  ¨No"  ¨No Opinion"

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Left out of Zoomerang Survey.

Partial Results Available at SURFinHermosa.com

 

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Question 8:

What is your name and contact information? (We will not disclose this to anyone without your express permission.)

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Data held confidentially by SURFinHermosa

 

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Question 9: Upper Pier Survey Results

Are you currently a: ¨resident" or

¨business owner" in Hermosa Beach? (Check one or both)

 

 

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Question 10: Upper Pier Survey Results

What is your age?  

¨Under 21",  ¨21-30", ¨31-40"

¨41-50",  ¨51-65", ¨66 or older"

 

 You can download a pdf version of: 

The above Bar Chart Summary of Survey Questions at:

Download pdf - Bar Chart Summary of Survey Results / Questions

Download pdf - The New Upper Pier Ave. Residents Survey



The New Upper Pier Ave. Residents Survey 

Public Comments that were included in the surveys.


Zoomerang Question 13:

Comments / Questions / Concerns / Open Forum:


Adding more density--replacing one-story buildings with multi-story ones--is a BAD idea considering the insufficient parking that exists.  The lack of parking is what currently keeps me from frequenting the area.  Businesses would lose parking to beachgoers if meters were removed.  Retail on sidewalks is ugly and adds congestion to the sidewalks--even wide ones.  I have been a homeowner in Hermosa since 1983, and a resident for four years as a renter.  I now drive elsewhere to places I can park rather than do business in Hermosa.  Don't make it harder to walk to the beach by making it necessary to stumble over shoppers on the sidewalks.


City funds should not be used for paving or repairing PCH it is a state highway and state and federal funds should be used for repairs and upgrades. I also believe that all residents of Hermosa Beach should be allowed to purchase parking permits to allow local residents to support local stores and businesses and to enjoy the beach we live at. Let's get this one going as well. In the past we were able to buy a parking pass.


Neighborhoods need protection from traffic impacts created by commercial development.


No outdoor dining on upper Pier Avenue.


Downzone commercial along Aviation Blvd.


Hermosa is an ugly city to drive through....we need to take landscaping/hardscaping cues from Redondo Beach.  How many busted sidewalks and crummy trees can a city full of million dollar properties have?  In my opinion, Hermosa Ave. is much worse than upper Pier Ave.  It would be nice if Hermosa Ave. could look just a little like Catalina Ave.


Home owning families are not properly represented by the HB city council.


I am a business owner in Redondo Beach.

I am not a resident, but I am in Hermosa beach almost every week for recreation or business. As a supporter of the local economy I believe it's only fair I'm allowed to voice an opinion!

I am very concerned about pedestrian safety ALONG Pier Avenue.  This is NOT up at the Valley/Ardmore/Pier intersections where there are already stop signs.  This is along Pier where there are not stop signs, e.g. Pier & Loma, Pier & Sunset, Pier and Cypress. 


I do all of my personal shopping and resturant diniing in Hermosa. Food, hair, nails, dog grooming, clothes perfumes and soaps..literally everything. Whay can't this money be spent to rebuild our infrastructure for the residents? Our streets are a mess! Not to make our tiny town more attractive to tourists. i don't mind sharing this beautiful space with others, but the money for city shouldn't be spent on outsiders, it should be spent to enhance the qulity of life for the residents and the business that serve them.


I do not know who put this survey togther, however, they should have address some of these concerns in the dozen or more public meetings that were held.  This looks like sour grapes planning and put toghter to make the upac and the city council to look poorly.  I doubt it will work. 


I firmly believe that if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Considering the popilation vs facilities in both the state and the city, If you DON'T build it they WON'T come. I miss the amenities and ambiance of the Hermosa Beach I moved to over 45 years ago. 


I like the street the way it is. Just spruce it up a bit.


I think the last thing this town needs is anything that will attract more visitors to contribute to an already existing situation of over-congestion, very limited parking and increased crime.  I like upper pier just the way it is.


I was out of town when the meeting took place so I can't really complain since I didn't participate, thanks for giving me a chance to give my opinion.


I would like to see police cars off pier plaza and the Strand. Police can walk or ride bikes on Pier Plaza duty.  Many do need the excercise!


Require business owners to insure there is no garbage, litter within 10-12 feet of any outer part of their establishment ant anytime. The amount of litter on the sidewalks and streets in HB continues to increase.


I'll be happy to be part of this organization as long as it does not become an organization attempting to promote one vision over another and remains truly "non-partisan" .  People of good will can disagree. 


Other areas of concern.  Noise and safety after midnight in the Pier Plaza and surrounding areas.

Supporting and encouraging non-bar/restaurant business in the downtown area.  Especially, boutiques and fine dining. 

Promoting the small-town, non-tourist, image. 

Supporting our fine police dept. 

Putting residents first!


I'm interested, but where do I find more information about the suggested plans you cite within?

Webpage suggestion: please illuminate or highlight the selected dot with color,with a check mark or something which contrasts more than as now.

thank you.


In response to question #7:  The Gateway should be integrated with a pedestrian overpass.  This would be a great safety feature for the greenbelt which is used by schoolchildren and their parents as well as a large portion of the cities population.  It would also improve trafic flow through the Ardmore/Valley & Pier ave. intersection(s).


Individual business owners should take responsibility for making the shopping area beautiful.  Adding planters or window boxes makes a huge impact but does not make this the responsibility of the public.  The expense of a shop owner watering and maintaining a few planters each vs. the cost of the city maintaining lots of landscape is enormous.  Also, window boxes and container planting will not be trampled by dogs.  The city put in public planters near Martha's.  They are most often full of weeds and dead palm branches.

It is important that our council set aside political (re-election concerns) influences and display good, principled leadership.  Hard decisions that are not going to be popular right now are necessary to the success of this project.

Item 10 is not clear: who are you and why are you looking for supporters?


Lets try to prevent over development of the city We voted for LOW DENSITY many times and we are more crowded than ever.Stop the council from promoting "party town" Less bars please No more  permits for liquor beer wine licences

My main concern is the financial and quality of life impact that drinking establishments have on our community. My family and I live 6 blocks from pier avenue yet suffer it's collateral effects almost every weekend; especially during the summer months. Unabated night time noise and discourtious behavior that is fostered by the "bar scene" atmosphere in HB is our number one concern and has a direct impact on our quality of life. Any development on Upper Pier Ave should take this into consideration.

Thank you for your work on makeing HB a better place to live.

Sincerely,

Phil 


My wife and I walk down Pier Ave several times a week.  The street needs massive improvements to be made pedistrian friendly.

No more high buildings...  Keep the street open...  Higher buildings will create a closed in feeling for the residents and tourists.


NO MORE PARKING STRUCTURES!!!!PLEASE! IT BRINGS OUTSIDE PROBLEMS, LITTER, and CONGESTION to our little city! ENOUGH!!!


Nobody likes too much change. and seeing HB for 36 years of my life, we have lost our "self." We have city counsel members so worried about revenue, they have created a headache on old Pier Ave. where bar row now stands. How much in law enforcement, fire/rescue and lawsuits against the city has those bars COST the city? How many 9pm to 2pm establishments do we need? I bet you could make close to the same amount of revenue in 4 star restraunts that serve from 11 am to 10pm. Look at other cities that made things that WORKED for everyone. Don't let the city counsel continue to destroy the city we love. Ironic things is, a lot of the people on the board over the last 15 years are "locals" who have lived here most of their lives. Well, I bet when they are done with the city and sucked as much out of the city and their home equity...they are packing their bags and moving somewhere where their money will take them much further. You can quote me on that! Good luck.


One suggestion to help the congestion down at the pier during peak hours would to have the patrons wait in the back of the resturants/bars ~ it may involve removing some parking places but it would diminish the eye sore of people waiting to get into bars ~ also, bar owners might have better control if they were in the back... the waiting in line in itself is a party scene and if we reduced it to less of a party atmosphere it may help cut down on noise and people acting in appropriately.

Overall, our streets are in deplorable condition. I'd like to see some effort go into repaving the neighborhood streets, not just PCH, prospect, and pier.


Please change some of the most severely impacted neighborhoods into permit-only parking

PLEASE do not build anymore public parking structures!!! It makes our city a ZOO all summer. Our taxes go to cleaning up after the toursists when they leave our beaches and city a mess....when you don't live here, you don't care how you leave it!

Please no parking structure on the corner of Manhattan and 14th, or other residential location. Q#2 we use Pier ave. 3 or 5 times per week on foot.


Question 6, first item, is a confusing double negative -- i.e., spend no money, if you think no money should be spent on the projects, do you answer "most unimportant" or "most important"?

Questions 4,6 and 10 are not very clear.


Regarding Question 4 of the Survey:

To: Planning Commission, City of Hermosa Beach

Re: Encouraging mixed-use and service type business to second floor

Dear Planning Commission:

The UPAC committee has stated that they would like to encourage mixed-use and service type businesses on the second floor and general commercial/retail on the ground floor.   Apparently, UPAC feels that retail establishments and restaurants are more pedestrian friendly and therefore warrant priority in the prime ground floor locations across the city. This concerns me as an active member of this community.

Service businesses are what drive small town Hermosa Beach.  Local community members take advantage of the convenience in having their day-to-day lifestyle services easily accessible.  Local Hermosa residents can take care of their personal service type errands (such as doing a quick load of laundry at the local laundromat, picking up documents from their lawyers, or even getting a chiropractic adjustment.  All servi

Spending $$ on placing cameras in front of the police department to discourage vandalism?!! Really?

How about using some of that $$ for a few beat cops to walk the streets after the bars close at night to help curb petty theft, drunk driving, vandalism and public urination?


thank you .....my only concern is all these improvements with minimal concern for parking..Everything the city council passes does not have enough parking. Non existent parking spaces approved constantly by the council is the biggest scam in this city. So now we are going to take more away.

 I am not worried about people coming into our city to park. My concern is resident parking

Thanks you for doing this - an involved and informed electorate is essential to effective public debate.


The big question is TRAFFIC on Upper Pier Avenue and vicinity. Anything that increases the volume of cars and decreases the allowable traffic flow is automatically  not good for the residents and, therefore, must have some truly overwhelming justification in order to be adopted. I do not see that in the proposed changes.


Nagging point: Why doesn't the poll page set-up allow not ranking some choices i.e. as being unacceptable. Also note that ranked polls that are scored by assigning points to each preference usually distort the wishes of nthe voters and lead to mediocre choices. (The situation is analogous to electing one of many candidates by preference ranking.) This is a very well known unintended consequence.


This is a very important issues, one which needs to be done in an open format, with as much city input as possible.  One option would be to approach this the same way Redondo Beach approached the design plans for the power plant area.  While the outcome for Redondo is not ideal - nothing is happening - it did receive the entire city buy-in, and three different proposals were put up for city wide vote.

If the council moves forward with little input, they risk the plan being totally shot down with a city forced vote and as a result the current city council would loose support.  Similar to what happened in RB.

My single biggest complaint with the roads and such in the city is the total lack of bike lanes and sidewalks that are difficult to ride anything on.  Rather than continuing to foster a car dominated city, we should look to add large bike/scooter lanes that would also be appropriate for small electric cars that do not go over 35 MPH.  Loose a lane each way on Pier and promote a greener, more friendly

thx


We do not see anything really wrong with the present Pier Avenue other than the city's neglect of the pavement.  Appears to be neglected on purpose to justify a project?

How about just paving the street.  If anything, whatever they do it should be with keeping visitors to a minimum.  Please do not encourage anything that will bring more visitors, cars, noise, crime to the city.  Please reduce the number of events going on in the city.  What is the purpose of the events every weekend?


WHO EVER PUT THIS SURVEY TOGETHER HAS DONE A POOR JOB..EVERY QUESTIONS LEADS TO A ANSWER THAT I DON'T WANT.WHO SIDE ARE YOU ON...


Why do you ask about being a supporter.  We do not even know who is behind the shoddyly prepared survey.  The only face to this document or website is Jeff Duclos.  He is just trying to look involved so as to get elected to City council.  He is just another attention grabber.


Why is the City IGNORING Aviation From Prospect to P.C.H.?


Widen upper Pier Ave sidewalks... for outside dining.


Your Survey is misleading stating that the Upper Pier Avenue Committee recommends mixed uses of condominiums (implying residential use) and office on second or third floors.  The Committee specifically excluded residential mixed use.  In fact, there is no changes recommended to the existing zoning. 

Regarding the Keegan plan for parking:  This would convert Pier Avenue into a paring lot with pedestrians running through 2 lanes of traffic  and a bike lane to get to stores.  This is not the village atmosphere that was favored in the"other" survey. 


Swimming Pool?


 


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